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IE8 - 64-bit OS - More bugs than I can shake a stick at.

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Old 05-06-2009
Wayne.Hartell
 

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IE8 - 64-bit OS - More bugs than I can shake a stick at.
I installed IE8 on my 64-bit Vista machine, used it for 10 mins and found 4
bugs, 2 of which I consider to be show stoppers. I can't be the only one to
have hit this problem so these are the bugs.

1. Right clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Window" does nothing.
2. Right clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Tab" opens a new tab,
but hangs on "Connecting.". The page never displays.
3. Tools -> InPrivate Browsing menu is dead. It does nothing.
4. Clicking on a new tab and selection "Open and InPrivate Browsing window"
does nothing.

I also tested this on the Windows 7 release candidate on a virtual PC (using
the same 64-bit machine as a host) and these things appear to work.

So, is there some security related explanation for why operations that open
a new tab or window might not work, especially in the 64-bit version, or do
I have to revert to the age old explanation "there's something frigged with
my machine"... again.

Wayne.

ps/ I gave up and un-installed IE8 after 10 minutes, else I reckon I would
have a few more than just 4 bugs to list.

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Old 05-06-2009
Stefan Cuypers
 

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Re: IE8 - 64-bit OS - More bugs than I can shake a stick at.
Try the following from an elevated command prompt:
regsvr32 actxprxy.dll
After clicking OK on the confirmation message reboot and see if these 'bugs'
disappear. On a 64-bit Windows Server 2008 this certainly helps.

Stefan.

"Wayne.Hartell" <wayne_hartell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:C7685467-4B72-457E-9AB8-8214BA4E5CD1@microsoft.com...
>I installed IE8 on my 64-bit Vista machine, used it for 10 mins and found 4
>bugs, 2 of which I consider to be show stoppers. I can't be the only one to
>have hit this problem so these are the bugs.
>
> 1. Right clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Window" does
> nothing.
> 2. Right clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Tab" opens a new
> tab, but hangs on "Connecting.". The page never displays.
> 3. Tools -> InPrivate Browsing menu is dead. It does nothing.
> 4. Clicking on a new tab and selection "Open and InPrivate Browsing
> window" does nothing.
>
> I also tested this on the Windows 7 release candidate on a virtual PC
> (using the same 64-bit machine as a host) and these things appear to work.
>
> So, is there some security related explanation for why operations that
> open a new tab or window might not work, especially in the 64-bit version,
> or do I have to revert to the age old explanation "there's something
> frigged with my machine"... again.
>
> Wayne.
>
> ps/ I gave up and un-installed IE8 after 10 minutes, else I reckon I would
> have a few more than just 4 bugs to list.



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Old 05-06-2009
PA Bear [MS MVP]
 

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Re: IE8 - 64-bit OS - More bugs than I can shake a stick at.
What Stefan said (who learned this the hard way).

What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)?
What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these applications running
in the background when you installed IE8?

Has a Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on this machine
(e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you bought it)?
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002


Wayne.Hartell wrote:
> I installed IE8 on my 64-bit Vista machine, used it for 10 mins and found
> 4
> bugs, 2 of which I consider to be show stoppers. I can't be the only one
> to
> have hit this problem so these are the bugs.
>
> 1. Right clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Window" does
> nothing.
> 2. Right clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Tab" opens a new
> tab,
> but hangs on "Connecting.". The page never displays.
> 3. Tools -> InPrivate Browsing menu is dead. It does nothing.
> 4. Clicking on a new tab and selection "Open and InPrivate Browsing
> window"
> does nothing.
>
> I also tested this on the Windows 7 release candidate on a virtual PC
> (using
> the same 64-bit machine as a host) and these things appear to work.
>
> So, is there some security related explanation for why operations that
> open
> a new tab or window might not work, especially in the 64-bit version, or
> do
> I have to revert to the age old explanation "there's something frigged
> with
> my machine"... again.
>
> Wayne.
>
> ps/ I gave up and un-installed IE8 after 10 minutes, else I reckon I would
> have a few more than just 4 bugs to list.


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Old 05-06-2009
Abdul69
 

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Re: IE8 - 64-bit OS - More bugs than I can shake a stick at.
Hi Stefan,

Fixed 4 from 4! Thanks!!!

Does this happen on every 64-bit machine, or just some? (I only have the one
64-bit machine to test with).

Regards,
Wayne.

"Stefan Cuypers" <stefan.cuypers@nospam.postalias> wrote in message
news:%23Q9Of5kzJHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Try the following from an elevated command prompt:
> regsvr32 actxprxy.dll
> After clicking OK on the confirmation message reboot and see if these
> 'bugs' disappear. On a 64-bit Windows Server 2008 this certainly helps.
>
> Stefan.
>
> "Wayne.Hartell" <wayne_hartell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:C7685467-4B72-457E-9AB8-8214BA4E5CD1@microsoft.com...
>>I installed IE8 on my 64-bit Vista machine, used it for 10 mins and found
>>4 bugs, 2 of which I consider to be show stoppers. I can't be the only one
>>to have hit this problem so these are the bugs.
>>
>> 1. Right clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Window" does
>> nothing.
>> 2. Right clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Tab" opens a new
>> tab, but hangs on "Connecting.". The page never displays.
>> 3. Tools -> InPrivate Browsing menu is dead. It does nothing.
>> 4. Clicking on a new tab and selection "Open and InPrivate Browsing
>> window" does nothing.
>>
>> I also tested this on the Windows 7 release candidate on a virtual PC
>> (using the same 64-bit machine as a host) and these things appear to
>> work.
>>
>> So, is there some security related explanation for why operations that
>> open a new tab or window might not work, especially in the 64-bit
>> version, or do I have to revert to the age old explanation "there's
>> something frigged with my machine"... again.
>>
>> Wayne.
>>
>> ps/ I gave up and un-installed IE8 after 10 minutes, else I reckon I
>> would have a few more than just 4 bugs to list.

>
>


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Old 05-06-2009
Abdul69
 

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Re: IE8 - 64-bit OS - More bugs than I can shake a stick at.
Hi PA Bear,

o What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
subscription current? --> Avast 4.8 Professional with current subscription.
o What anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? --> None other than
Defender.
o What third-party firewall (if any)? --> None.
o Were any of these applications running? --> Yes, Avast would have been
running. I closed all "regular" applications. I'm used to MSI installs
insisting I turn off my machine before I install anything so I figured if
the IE8 installer wasn't happy it would speak up.
o Has a Norton or McAfee product ever been installed on the machine? -->
Only over my dead body! (McAfee is probably worse than any virii I know; my
Norton experiences have been better but I dropped it when they dragged their
heels on 64-bit support.) To respond to the point about trial versions; I
formatted C:\ the day the machine arrived, so I know it has only ever had
Avast on it.

Regards,
Wayne.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:u0f7mPnzJHA.1492@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> What Stefan said (who learned this the hard way).
>
> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
> subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than
> Defender)? What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these
> applications running in the background when you installed IE8?
>
> Has a Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on this machine
> (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you bought it)?
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
>
>
> Wayne.Hartell wrote:
>> I installed IE8 on my 64-bit Vista machine, used it for 10 mins and found
>> 4
>> bugs, 2 of which I consider to be show stoppers. I can't be the only one
>> to
>> have hit this problem so these are the bugs.
>>
>> 1. Right clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Window" does
>> nothing.
>> 2. Right clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Tab" opens a new
>> tab,
>> but hangs on "Connecting.". The page never displays.
>> 3. Tools -> InPrivate Browsing menu is dead. It does nothing.
>> 4. Clicking on a new tab and selection "Open and InPrivate Browsing
>> window"
>> does nothing.
>>
>> I also tested this on the Windows 7 release candidate on a virtual PC
>> (using
>> the same 64-bit machine as a host) and these things appear to work.
>>
>> So, is there some security related explanation for why operations that
>> open
>> a new tab or window might not work, especially in the 64-bit version, or
>> do
>> I have to revert to the age old explanation "there's something frigged
>> with
>> my machine"... again.
>>
>> Wayne.
>>
>> ps/ I gave up and un-installed IE8 after 10 minutes, else I reckon I
>> would
>> have a few more than just 4 bugs to list.

>


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Old 05-06-2009
PA Bear [MS MVP]
 

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Re: IE8 - 64-bit OS - More bugs than I can shake a stick at.
Avast should have been temporarily disabled prior to installing IE8.

Abdul69 wrote:
> Hi PA Bear,
>
> o What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
> subscription current? --> Avast 4.8 Professional with current
> subscription.
> o What anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? --> None other
> than
> Defender.
> o What third-party firewall (if any)? --> None.
> o Were any of these applications running? --> Yes, Avast would have been
> running. I closed all "regular" applications. I'm used to MSI installs
> insisting I turn off my machine before I install anything so I figured if
> the IE8 installer wasn't happy it would speak up.
> o Has a Norton or McAfee product ever been installed on the machine? -->
> Only over my dead body! (McAfee is probably worse than any virii I know;
> my
> Norton experiences have been better but I dropped it when they dragged
> their
> heels on 64-bit support.) To respond to the point about trial versions; I
> formatted C:\ the day the machine arrived, so I know it has only ever had
> Avast on it.
>
> Regards,
> Wayne.
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:u0f7mPnzJHA.1492@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> What Stefan said (who learned this the hard way).
>>
>> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
>> subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than
>> Defender)? What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these
>> applications running in the background when you installed IE8?
>>
>> Has a Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on this machine
>> (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you bought it)?
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
>>
>>
>> Wayne.Hartell wrote:
>>> I installed IE8 on my 64-bit Vista machine, used it for 10 mins and
>>> found
>>> 4
>>> bugs, 2 of which I consider to be show stoppers. I can't be the only one
>>> to
>>> have hit this problem so these are the bugs.
>>>
>>> 1. Right clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Window" does
>>> nothing.
>>> 2. Right clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Tab" opens a new
>>> tab,
>>> but hangs on "Connecting.". The page never displays.
>>> 3. Tools -> InPrivate Browsing menu is dead. It does nothing.
>>> 4. Clicking on a new tab and selection "Open and InPrivate Browsing
>>> window"
>>> does nothing.
>>>
>>> I also tested this on the Windows 7 release candidate on a virtual PC
>>> (using
>>> the same 64-bit machine as a host) and these things appear to work.
>>>
>>> So, is there some security related explanation for why operations that
>>> open
>>> a new tab or window might not work, especially in the 64-bit version, or
>>> do
>>> I have to revert to the age old explanation "there's something frigged
>>> with
>>> my machine"... again.
>>>
>>> Wayne.
>>>
>>> ps/ I gave up and un-installed IE8 after 10 minutes, else I reckon I
>>> would
>>> have a few more than just 4 bugs to list.


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Old 05-07-2009
Abdul69
 

Posts: n/a
Re: IE8 - 64-bit OS - More bugs than I can shake a stick at.
>> Avast should have been temporarily disabled prior to installing IE8. <<

That's what I'm hearing, but why is the IE8 install different to every other
install going around?

I can install a Vista service pack without disabling Avast. I've done many
of those all with no problem. In fact I'm installing stuff all the time and
uninstalling it again, on numerous machines and virtual machines.

Furthermore, the IE8 install reboots the system so it should be able to
update any file in use through that mechanism. Any MSI install will tell you
to close specific applications, or if you choose not to, that a reboot will
be required. Finally, if anything does fail in a regular install (such as a
failed registration) the user is told about it so they can at least be aware
that something went wrong. A regsrv32 command either works or not. Why would
the IE8 installer sweep a failed registration under the carpet?

I don't doubt that stopping Avast probably would have avoided the problem (I
haven't tested it), but that would be a very unusual thing to do, IMO, so in
my opinion the problem boils down to a sussy installer for IE8. One that
doesn't seem to live up to Microsoft's normal standards.

Regards,
Wayne.


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:O4ZsGpnzJHA.5528@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Avast should have been temporarily disabled prior to installing IE8.
>
> Abdul69 wrote:
>> Hi PA Bear,
>>
>> o What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
>> subscription current? --> Avast 4.8 Professional with current
>> subscription.
>> o What anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? --> None other
>> than
>> Defender.
>> o What third-party firewall (if any)? --> None.
>> o Were any of these applications running? --> Yes, Avast would have been
>> running. I closed all "regular" applications. I'm used to MSI installs
>> insisting I turn off my machine before I install anything so I figured if
>> the IE8 installer wasn't happy it would speak up.
>> o Has a Norton or McAfee product ever been installed on the machine? -->
>> Only over my dead body! (McAfee is probably worse than any virii I know;
>> my
>> Norton experiences have been better but I dropped it when they dragged
>> their
>> heels on 64-bit support.) To respond to the point about trial versions; I
>> formatted C:\ the day the machine arrived, so I know it has only ever had
>> Avast on it.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Wayne.
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:u0f7mPnzJHA.1492@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> What Stefan said (who learned this the hard way).
>>>
>>> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
>>> subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than
>>> Defender)? What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these
>>> applications running in the background when you installed IE8?
>>>
>>> Has a Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on this machine
>>> (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you bought it)?
>>> --
>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
>>>
>>>
>>> Wayne.Hartell wrote:
>>>> I installed IE8 on my 64-bit Vista machine, used it for 10 mins and
>>>> found
>>>> 4
>>>> bugs, 2 of which I consider to be show stoppers. I can't be the only
>>>> one
>>>> to
>>>> have hit this problem so these are the bugs.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Right clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Window" does
>>>> nothing.
>>>> 2. Right clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Tab" opens a new
>>>> tab,
>>>> but hangs on "Connecting.". The page never displays.
>>>> 3. Tools -> InPrivate Browsing menu is dead. It does nothing.
>>>> 4. Clicking on a new tab and selection "Open and InPrivate Browsing
>>>> window"
>>>> does nothing.
>>>>
>>>> I also tested this on the Windows 7 release candidate on a virtual PC
>>>> (using
>>>> the same 64-bit machine as a host) and these things appear to work.
>>>>
>>>> So, is there some security related explanation for why operations that
>>>> open
>>>> a new tab or window might not work, especially in the 64-bit version,
>>>> or
>>>> do
>>>> I have to revert to the age old explanation "there's something frigged
>>>> with
>>>> my machine"... again.
>>>>
>>>> Wayne.
>>>>
>>>> ps/ I gave up and un-installed IE8 after 10 minutes, else I reckon I
>>>> would
>>>> have a few more than just 4 bugs to list.

>


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Old 05-07-2009
PA Bear [MS MVP]
 

Posts: n/a
Re: IE8 - 64-bit OS - More bugs than I can shake a stick at.
I recommend tempoarily disabling anti-virus applications, all real-time
"system protections" afforded by anti-spyware applications (other than
Defender), and any third-party firewall and then enabling the Windows
Firewall prior to installing an IE upgrade or Windows Service Pack. (Note
that I'm not saying the IE upgrades and Service Packs will fail or won't
install if you don't adhere to the above, only that doing so is recommended
for best results. Keep in mind, too, that you probably weren't running the
same (engine) version of Avast when you installed Vista SP1 a while ago.)

In short: When you install an IE upgrade or Windows Service Pack, the actual
changes are being made prior to the required reboot. After you do reboot
(and the real-time protections load), Windows is *applying* the changes that
have been made (i.e., updating the Registry) and these "protections" allow
this.

> ...A regsrv32 command either works or not. Why would
> the IE8 installer sweep a failed registration under the carpet?


The real-time protections may disallow the change after a reboot.


Abdul69 wrote:
>>> Avast should have been temporarily disabled prior to installing IE8. <<

>
> That's what I'm hearing, but why is the IE8 install different to every
> other
> install going around?
>
> I can install a Vista service pack without disabling Avast. I've done many
> of those all with no problem. In fact I'm installing stuff all the time
> and
> uninstalling it again, on numerous machines and virtual machines.
>
> Furthermore, the IE8 install reboots the system so it should be able to
> update any file in use through that mechanism. Any MSI install will tell
> you
> to close specific applications, or if you choose not to, that a reboot
> will
> be required. Finally, if anything does fail in a regular install (such as
> a
> failed registration) the user is told about it so they can at least be
> aware
> that something went wrong. A regsrv32 command either works or not. Why
> would
> the IE8 installer sweep a failed registration under the carpet?
>
> I don't doubt that stopping Avast probably would have avoided the problem
> (I
> haven't tested it), but that would be a very unusual thing to do, IMO, so
> in
> my opinion the problem boils down to a sussy installer for IE8. One that
> doesn't seem to live up to Microsoft's normal standards.
>
> Regards,
> Wayne.
>
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:O4ZsGpnzJHA.5528@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Avast should have been temporarily disabled prior to installing IE8.
>>
>> Abdul69 wrote:
>>> Hi PA Bear,
>>>
>>> o What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
>>> subscription current? --> Avast 4.8 Professional with current
>>> subscription.
>>> o What anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? --> None other
>>> than
>>> Defender.
>>> o What third-party firewall (if any)? --> None.
>>> o Were any of these applications running? --> Yes, Avast would have been
>>> running. I closed all "regular" applications. I'm used to MSI installs
>>> insisting I turn off my machine before I install anything so I figured
>>> if
>>> the IE8 installer wasn't happy it would speak up.
>>> o Has a Norton or McAfee product ever been installed on the machine? -->
>>> Only over my dead body! (McAfee is probably worse than any virii I know;
>>> my
>>> Norton experiences have been better but I dropped it when they dragged
>>> their
>>> heels on 64-bit support.) To respond to the point about trial versions;
>>> I
>>> formatted C:\ the day the machine arrived, so I know it has only ever
>>> had
>>> Avast on it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Wayne.
>>>
>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:u0f7mPnzJHA.1492@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> What Stefan said (who learned this the hard way).
>>>>
>>>> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
>>>> subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than
>>>> Defender)? What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these
>>>> applications running in the background when you installed IE8?
>>>>
>>>> Has a Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on this machine
>>>> (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you bought it)?
>>>> --
>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wayne.Hartell wrote:
>>>>> I installed IE8 on my 64-bit Vista machine, used it for 10 mins and
>>>>> found
>>>>> 4
>>>>> bugs, 2 of which I consider to be show stoppers. I can't be the only
>>>>> one
>>>>> to
>>>>> have hit this problem so these are the bugs.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Right clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Window" does
>>>>> nothing.
>>>>> 2. Right clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Tab" opens a
>>>>> new
>>>>> tab,
>>>>> but hangs on "Connecting.". The page never displays.
>>>>> 3. Tools -> InPrivate Browsing menu is dead. It does nothing.
>>>>> 4. Clicking on a new tab and selection "Open and InPrivate Browsing
>>>>> window"
>>>>> does nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also tested this on the Windows 7 release candidate on a virtual PC
>>>>> (using
>>>>> the same 64-bit machine as a host) and these things appear to work.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, is there some security related explanation for why operations that
>>>>> open
>>>>> a new tab or window might not work, especially in the 64-bit version,
>>>>> or
>>>>> do
>>>>> I have to revert to the age old explanation "there's something frigged
>>>>> with
>>>>> my machine"... again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayne.
>>>>>
>>>>> ps/ I gave up and un-installed IE8 after 10 minutes, else I reckon I
>>>>> would
>>>>> have a few more than just 4 bugs to list.


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Old 07-06-2009
Abdul69
 

Posts: n/a
Shoddy IE8 installer (was Re: IE8 - 64-bit OS - More bugs than I can shake a stick at.)
I don't disagree with these recommendations, but I just installed IE8 on my
second machine and this time I did follow the recommendations and the same
problems exist. Something is not mustard with the IE8 installer.

I'm back here trying to figure out how I worked around the problem the first
time!

Wayne.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e0Yi4kyzJHA.5728@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>I recommend tempoarily disabling anti-virus applications, all real-time
>"system protections" afforded by anti-spyware applications (other than
>Defender), and any third-party firewall and then enabling the Windows
>Firewall prior to installing an IE upgrade or Windows Service Pack. (Note
>that I'm not saying the IE upgrades and Service Packs will fail or won't
>install if you don't adhere to the above, only that doing so is recommended
>for best results. Keep in mind, too, that you probably weren't running the
>same (engine) version of Avast when you installed Vista SP1 a while ago.)
>
> In short: When you install an IE upgrade or Windows Service Pack, the
> actual changes are being made prior to the required reboot. After you do
> reboot (and the real-time protections load), Windows is *applying* the
> changes that have been made (i.e., updating the Registry) and these
> "protections" allow this.
>
>> ...A regsrv32 command either works or not. Why would
>> the IE8 installer sweep a failed registration under the carpet?

>
> The real-time protections may disallow the change after a reboot.
>
>
> Abdul69 wrote:
>>>> Avast should have been temporarily disabled prior to installing IE8. <<

>>
>> That's what I'm hearing, but why is the IE8 install different to every
>> other
>> install going around?
>>
>> I can install a Vista service pack without disabling Avast. I've done
>> many
>> of those all with no problem. In fact I'm installing stuff all the time
>> and
>> uninstalling it again, on numerous machines and virtual machines.
>>
>> Furthermore, the IE8 install reboots the system so it should be able to
>> update any file in use through that mechanism. Any MSI install will tell
>> you
>> to close specific applications, or if you choose not to, that a reboot
>> will
>> be required. Finally, if anything does fail in a regular install (such as
>> a
>> failed registration) the user is told about it so they can at least be
>> aware
>> that something went wrong. A regsrv32 command either works or not. Why
>> would
>> the IE8 installer sweep a failed registration under the carpet?
>>
>> I don't doubt that stopping Avast probably would have avoided the problem
>> (I
>> haven't tested it), but that would be a very unusual thing to do, IMO, so
>> in
>> my opinion the problem boils down to a sussy installer for IE8. One that
>> doesn't seem to live up to Microsoft's normal standards.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Wayne.
>>
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:O4ZsGpnzJHA.5528@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Avast should have been temporarily disabled prior to installing IE8.
>>>
>>> Abdul69 wrote:
>>>> Hi PA Bear,
>>>>
>>>> o What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is
>>>> your
>>>> subscription current? --> Avast 4.8 Professional with current
>>>> subscription.
>>>> o What anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? --> None other
>>>> than
>>>> Defender.
>>>> o What third-party firewall (if any)? --> None.
>>>> o Were any of these applications running? --> Yes, Avast would have
>>>> been
>>>> running. I closed all "regular" applications. I'm used to MSI installs
>>>> insisting I turn off my machine before I install anything so I figured
>>>> if
>>>> the IE8 installer wasn't happy it would speak up.
>>>> o Has a Norton or McAfee product ever been installed on the
>>>> machine? -->
>>>> Only over my dead body! (McAfee is probably worse than any virii I
>>>> know;
>>>> my
>>>> Norton experiences have been better but I dropped it when they dragged
>>>> their
>>>> heels on 64-bit support.) To respond to the point about trial versions;
>>>> I
>>>> formatted C:\ the day the machine arrived, so I know it has only ever
>>>> had
>>>> Avast on it.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Wayne.
>>>>
>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:u0f7mPnzJHA.1492@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> What Stefan said (who learned this the hard way).
>>>>>
>>>>> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
>>>>> subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than
>>>>> Defender)? What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these
>>>>> applications running in the background when you installed IE8?
>>>>>
>>>>> Has a Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on this machine
>>>>> (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you bought
>>>>> it)?
>>>>> --
>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayne.Hartell wrote:
>>>>>> I installed IE8 on my 64-bit Vista machine, used it for 10 mins and
>>>>>> found
>>>>>> 4
>>>>>> bugs, 2 of which I consider to be show stoppers. I can't be the only
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> have hit this problem so these are the bugs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Right clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Window" does
>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>> 2. Right clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Tab" opens a
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> tab,
>>>>>> but hangs on "Connecting.". The page never displays.
>>>>>> 3. Tools -> InPrivate Browsing menu is dead. It does nothing.
>>>>>> 4. Clicking on a new tab and selection "Open and InPrivate Browsing
>>>>>> window"
>>>>>> does nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also tested this on the Windows 7 release candidate on a virtual PC
>>>>>> (using
>>>>>> the same 64-bit machine as a host) and these things appear to work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, is there some security related explanation for why operations
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> open
>>>>>> a new tab or window might not work, especially in the 64-bit version,
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> I have to revert to the age old explanation "there's something
>>>>>> frigged
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> my machine"... again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wayne.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ps/ I gave up and un-installed IE8 after 10 minutes, else I reckon I
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> have a few more than just 4 bugs to list.

>


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Re: Shoddy IE8 installer (was Re: IE8 - 64-bit OS - More bugs than I can shake a stick at.)
No-charge support for Internet Explorer 8 installation, set-up and usage
(only) is available via the phone based on your locale through 31 December
2009. Customers must be running Windows XP or Windows Vista in a non-domain
environment.
=> US & CA Residents: 1-866-234-6020
=> Other locales: https://support.microsoft.com/oas/de...px?&prid=13043

Abdul69 wrote:
> I don't disagree with these recommendations, but I just installed IE8 on
> my
> second machine and this time I did follow the recommendations and the same
> problems exist. Something is not mustard with the IE8 installer.
>
> I'm back here trying to figure out how I worked around the problem the
> first
> time!
>
> Wayne.
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e0Yi4kyzJHA.5728@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> I recommend tempoarily disabling anti-virus applications, all real-time
>> "system protections" afforded by anti-spyware applications (other than
>> Defender), and any third-party firewall and then enabling the Windows
>> Firewall prior to installing an IE upgrade or Windows Service Pack.
>> (Note
>> that I'm not saying the IE upgrades and Service Packs will fail or won't
>> install if you don't adhere to the above, only that doing so is
>> recommended
>> for best results. Keep in mind, too, that you probably weren't running
>> the
>> same (engine) version of Avast when you installed Vista SP1 a while ago.)
>>
>> In short: When you install an IE upgrade or Windows Service Pack, the
>> actual changes are being made prior to the required reboot. After you do
>> reboot (and the real-time protections load), Windows is *applying* the
>> changes that have been made (i.e., updating the Registry) and these
>> "protections" allow this.
>>
>>> ...A regsrv32 command either works or not. Why would
>>> the IE8 installer sweep a failed registration under the carpet?

>>
>> The real-time protections may disallow the change after a reboot.
>>
>>
>> Abdul69 wrote:
>>>>> Avast should have been temporarily disabled prior to installing IE8.
>>>>> <<
>>>
>>> That's what I'm hearing, but why is the IE8 install different to every
>>> other
>>> install going around?
>>>
>>> I can install a Vista service pack without disabling Avast. I've done
>>> many
>>> of those all with no problem. In fact I'm installing stuff all the time
>>> and
>>> uninstalling it again, on numerous machines and virtual machines.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, the IE8 install reboots the system so it should be able to
>>> update any file in use through that mechanism. Any MSI install will tell
>>> you
>>> to close specific applications, or if you choose not to, that a reboot
>>> will
>>> be required. Finally, if anything does fail in a regular install (such
>>> as
>>> a
>>> failed registration) the user is told about it so they can at least be
>>> aware
>>> that something went wrong. A regsrv32 command either works or not. Why
>>> would
>>> the IE8 installer sweep a failed registration under the carpet?
>>>
>>> I don't doubt that stopping Avast probably would have avoided the
>>> problem
>>> (I
>>> haven't tested it), but that would be a very unusual thing to do, IMO,
>>> so
>>> in
>>> my opinion the problem boils down to a sussy installer for IE8. One that
>>> doesn't seem to live up to Microsoft's normal standards.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Wayne.
>>>
>>>
>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:O4ZsGpnzJHA.5528@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Avast should have been temporarily disabled prior to installing IE8.
>>>>
>>>> Abdul69 wrote:
>>>>> Hi PA Bear,
>>>>>
>>>>> o What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is
>>>>> your
>>>>> subscription current? --> Avast 4.8 Professional with current
>>>>> subscription.
>>>>> o What anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? --> None other
>>>>> than
>>>>> Defender.
>>>>> o What third-party firewall (if any)? --> None.
>>>>> o Were any of these applications running? --> Yes, Avast would have
>>>>> been
>>>>> running. I closed all "regular" applications. I'm used to MSI installs
>>>>> insisting I turn off my machine before I install anything so I figured
>>>>> if
>>>>> the IE8 installer wasn't happy it would speak up.
>>>>> o Has a Norton or McAfee product ever been installed on the
>>>>> machine? -->
>>>>> Only over my dead body! (McAfee is probably worse than any virii I
>>>>> know;
>>>>> my
>>>>> Norton experiences have been better but I dropped it when they dragged
>>>>> their
>>>>> heels on 64-bit support.) To respond to the point about trial
>>>>> versions;
>>>>> I
>>>>> formatted C:\ the day the machine arrived, so I know it has only ever
>>>>> had
>>>>> Avast on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Wayne.
>>>>>
>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:u0f7mPnzJHA.1492@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> What Stefan said (who learned this the hard way).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than
>>>>>> Defender)? What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these
>>>>>> applications running in the background when you installed IE8?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has a Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on this
>>>>>> machine
>>>>>> (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you bought
>>>>>> it)?
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wayne.Hartell wrote:
>>>>>>> I installed IE8 on my 64-bit Vista machine, used it for 10 mins and
>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>> 4
>>>>>>> bugs, 2 of which I consider to be show stoppers. I can't be the only
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> have hit this problem so these are the bugs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Right clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Window" does
>>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>>> 2. Right clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Tab" opens a
>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>> tab,
>>>>>>> but hangs on "Connecting.". The page never displays.
>>>>>>> 3. Tools -> InPrivate Browsing menu is dead. It does nothing.
>>>>>>> 4. Clicking on a new tab and selection "Open and InPrivate Browsing
>>>>>>> window"
>>>>>>> does nothing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also tested this on the Windows 7 release candidate on a virtual
>>>>>>> PC
>>>>>>> (using
>>>>>>> the same 64-bit machine as a host) and these things appear to work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, is there some security related explanation for why operations
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>> a new tab or window might not work, especially in the 64-bit
>>>>>>> version,
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> I have to revert to the age old explanation "there's something
>>>>>>> frigged
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> my machine"... again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wayne.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ps/ I gave up and un-installed IE8 after 10 minutes, else I reckon I
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> have a few more than just 4 bugs to list.


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