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Old 03-04-2009
//erlin!
 

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Spawn tabs bug
Hi I have experienced this a number of times in the last few days. The first
few occasions were on the same site os notified them that it may be a
malicious flash ad, but then today I noticed it on other sites.

I have no reported security issues according to my ESET Smart Security.
I have Vista 64 running and the IE version is 7.0.6001.18000. My system is
fully up-to-date.
Within 10 seconds today IE comsumed over a gig of memory.

Any help/comments/next steps to investigate etc welcome. Is this the dreaded
64bit bug rearing its head?

Thanks.
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Old 03-04-2009
VanguardLH
 

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Re: Spawn tabs bug
//erlin! wrote:

> Hi I have experienced this a number of times in the last few days. The first
> few occasions were on the same site os notified them that it may be a
> malicious flash ad, but then today I noticed it on other sites.
>
> I have no reported security issues according to my ESET Smart Security.
> I have Vista 64 running and the IE version is 7.0.6001.18000. My system is
> fully up-to-date.
> Within 10 seconds today IE comsumed over a gig of memory.
>
> Any help/comments/next steps to investigate etc welcome. Is this the dreaded
> 64bit bug rearing its head?
>
> Thanks.


You experienced a problem. Okay.
It was on one site and now others. Okay.
ESET is quiet. Okay.
You run Vista 64 and IE7. Okay.
You think your system is all updated. OS only? Apps, too? Okay.

So just when are you going to divulge to OTHERS just what is this "bug"
you are complaining about?

You want others to tell you what next steps to take. Yet you haven't
even explained the bug's behavior. From your subject line, the "bug"
has something to do with tabbing in IE7. Okay, but what is WRONG with
tabbing behavior in IE7?

The dreaded 64bit bug. That was actually supposed to mean something?
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Old 03-04-2009
PA Bear [MS MVP]
 

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Re: Spawn tabs bug
Unexplained computer behavior may be caused by deceptive software
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/827315

Run a /thorough/ check for hijackware, including posting the requested logs
in an appropriate forum.

Checking for/Help with Hijackware
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http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/data/prevention.htm
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//erlin! wrote:
> Hi I have experienced this a number of times in the last few days. The
> first
> few occasions were on the same site os notified them that it may be a
> malicious flash ad, but then today I noticed it on other sites.
>
> I have no reported security issues according to my ESET Smart Security.
> I have Vista 64 running and the IE version is 7.0.6001.18000. My system is
> fully up-to-date.
> Within 10 seconds today IE comsumed over a gig of memory.
>
> Any help/comments/next steps to investigate etc welcome. Is this the
> dreaded
> 64bit bug rearing its head?
>
> Thanks.


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Old 03-05-2009
//erlin!
 

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Re: Spawn tabs bug
Okay, I thought the subject line kind of said what the problem was, but I
guess I should be more informative. I am a software developer and I'm pretty
sure that if I said to anyone in my company "Hey, do you know anything about
a spawn tabs bug in IE7" they would know exactly what I meant.

So...I have noticed that on a newly installed 64bit version of Vista that
every now and then I will close a tab to a site, and IE opens the tab again
and then proceeds to open more and more tabs all at the same URL until IE
crashes.

I thought this was just at one site and thus thought it was a malicious
Flash hack as I had noticed they use a lot of Flash ads, but now I am seeing
this happen when closing the tab to sites I would not expect there to be
malicious code, such as Yahoo, Google, MSN and other sites of similar stature.

When I asked what next steps I should take, what I meant was...where should
I look for any logs that might help to explain the issue apart from the
obvious Event viewer. The problem is that if I allow IE to continue through
to crashing there is no visual warning, no "Tell MS about this" message. When
I go to Event Viewer->Applications & Services Logs->Internet Explorer, there
is no events listed at all.

So, there is a bug of sorts here. If it were not a bug I would expect some
kind of notice or warning. I need to resolve this bug because I cannot keep
letting this happen while I work. So a little help and a little civility
would go a long way.

The 64bit bug I mentioned was just something that I had overheard, the
phrase "The dreaded 64bit bug" associated with Windows. I had not bothered to
look into it because I have not come across any 64bit-specific issues in the
last 15 months of running a 64bit system.

@Vanguard...please do not bother to "help" I don't need your kind of help
thanks.

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Old 03-05-2009
Daniel Crichton
 

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Re: Spawn tabs bug
//erlin! wrote on Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:53:03 -0800:

> Hi I have experienced this a number of times in the last few days. The
> first few occasions were on the same site os notified them that it may
> be a malicious flash ad, but then today I noticed it on other sites.


> I have no reported security issues according to my ESET Smart Security.
> I have Vista 64 running and the IE version is 7.0.6001.18000. My system
> is fully up-to-date.
> Within 10 seconds today IE comsumed over a gig of memory.


> Any help/comments/next steps to investigate etc welcome. Is this the
> dreaded 64bit bug rearing its head?


> Thanks.


What happens if you run in No Add-ons mode?

Considering you mentioned Flash, this may well be a Flash bug and not in IE
one. I'd expect that if you run IE without add-ons that the memory
consumption will remain small. Enable each add-on and test, one at a time,
till you find the one that is causing the problem.

--
Dan


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Old 03-05-2009
//erlin!
 

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Re: Spawn tabs bug
Thanks Dan, I get to doing that then and see if I can narrow down the issue.

"Daniel Crichton" wrote:

> //erlin! wrote on Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:53:03 -0800:
>
> > Hi I have experienced this a number of times in the last few days. The
> > first few occasions were on the same site os notified them that it may
> > be a malicious flash ad, but then today I noticed it on other sites.

>
> > I have no reported security issues according to my ESET Smart Security.
> > I have Vista 64 running and the IE version is 7.0.6001.18000. My system
> > is fully up-to-date.
> > Within 10 seconds today IE comsumed over a gig of memory.

>
> > Any help/comments/next steps to investigate etc welcome. Is this the
> > dreaded 64bit bug rearing its head?

>
> > Thanks.

>
> What happens if you run in No Add-ons mode?
>
> Considering you mentioned Flash, this may well be a Flash bug and not in IE
> one. I'd expect that if you run IE without add-ons that the memory
> consumption will remain small. Enable each add-on and test, one at a time,
> till you find the one that is causing the problem.
>
> --
> Dan
>
>
>

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Old 03-06-2009
VanguardLH
 

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Re: Spawn tabs bug
//erlin! wrote:

> Okay, I thought the subject line kind of said what the problem was, but I
> guess I should be more informative. I am a software developer and I'm pretty
> sure that if I said to anyone in my company "Hey, do you know anything about
> a spawn tabs bug in IE7" they would know exactly what I meant.


Not unless all of you had been talking before to describe the same
symptom so all of you had the same context for the discussion.
Otherwise, the response wouldn've been "Huh? What are you talking
about?"

> So...I have noticed that on a newly installed 64bit version of Vista that
> every now and then I will close a tab to a site, and IE opens the tab again
> and then proceeds to open more and more tabs all at the same URL until IE
> crashes.


Sounds like you visited a site that uses the onclose script event to
open more windows. Tried disabling scripting in the web browser and
revisiting those suspect sites to see if the behavior continues?

> I thought this was just at one site and thus thought it was a malicious
> Flash hack as I had noticed they use a lot of Flash ads, but now I am seeing
> this happen when closing the tab to sites I would not expect there to be
> malicious code, such as Yahoo, Google, MSN and other sites of similar stature.


Once you hit a malicious site, and if it was allowed to open a new
instance of the web browser (i.e., a new window), then it could still be
running its script. The new "window" can be hidden. You'll see another
instance of iexplore.exe in Task Manager's Processes tab but for which
there is no visible window. The malicious page is running in a hidden
window, continuing to run its script, and it keeps opening the new
windows. If you had just one instance of IE opened, did you check how
many instances of iexplore.exe were listed in Task Manager (which should
only be one)?

> When I asked what next steps I should take, what I meant was...where should
> I look for any logs that might help to explain the issue apart from the
> obvious Event viewer. The problem is that if I allow IE to continue through
> to crashing there is no visual warning, no "Tell MS about this" message. When
> I go to Event Viewer->Applications & Services Logs->Internet Explorer, there
> is no events listed at all.


Although there is an event category added to Event Viewer for Internet
Explorer, I've never seen any entries in there. Since the application
is behaving properly in running the script to open new windows (but
improper behavior to you), there won't be any events to see because
there were no errors in the app itself.

> So, there is a bug of sorts here. If it were not a bug I would expect some
> kind of notice or warning. I need to resolve this bug because I cannot keep
> letting this happen while I work. So a little help and a little civility
> would go a long way.


Did you ever try running IE7 in its no add-ons mode to verify that the
problem isn't something you installed?

Run any virus/malware scans lately? If so, using what?

> The 64bit bug I mentioned was just something that I had overheard, the
> phrase "The dreaded 64bit bug" associated with Windows. I had not bothered to
> look into it because I have not come across any 64bit-specific issues in the
> last 15 months of running a 64bit system.


You stated it as though you knew what it meant and that it was so
prevalent that others would know what it meant. Wasn't true, was it?

> @Vanguard...please do not bother to "help" I don't need your kind of help
> thanks.


You speak about a non-described "problem" as though is it universal,
don't bother to describe it even in short detail, and, of course, it's
my fault that your post is vague. Uh huh. Okay, your wish is granted.
Goodbye.
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