IE7 Stop & Refresh buttons

I'm sure I'm not the only person asking this question but no answers
have come up in any searches I've performed.

I'd like to upgrade from IE6 to IE7 but the Navigation Toolbar is
hideous. I want the Home, Stop, Refresh, Print buttons back over to
the left of the address bar.

Is there a registry tweak or IE add-on that will allow this
customization?

Nope. And if something as trivial as whether buttons are on the left or
right makes such a difference to you, so much so that it's preventing
you from upgrading to a more secure browser, then you need a vacation.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

badgolferman wrote:
> I'm sure I'm not the only person asking this question but no answers
> have come up in any searches I've performed.
>
> I'd like to upgrade from IE6 to IE7 but the Navigation Toolbar is
> hideous. I want the Home, Stop, Refresh, Print buttons back over to
> the left of the address bar.
>
> Is there a registry tweak or IE add-on that will allow this
> customization?

Leonard Grey, 12/25/2008,4:03:27 PM, wrote:

> badgolferman wrote:
> > I'm sure I'm not the only person asking this question but no answers
> > have come up in any searches I've performed.
> >
> > I'd like to upgrade from IE6 to IE7 but the Navigation Toolbar is
> > hideous. I want the Home, Stop, Refresh, Print buttons back over to
> > the left of the address bar.
> >
> > Is there a registry tweak or IE add-on that will allow this
> > customization?

> Nope. And if something as trivial as whether buttons are on the left
> or right makes such a difference to you, so much so that it's
> preventing you from upgrading to a more secure browser, then you need
> a vacation. --- Leonard Grey Errare humanum est
>

You have a funny way of helping people.

<below, to respect your preference>
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

badgolferman wrote:
> Leonard Grey, 12/25/2008,4:03:27 PM, wrote:
>
>> badgolferman wrote:
>>> I'm sure I'm not the only person asking this question but no answers
>>> have come up in any searches I've performed.
>>>
>>> I'd like to upgrade from IE6 to IE7 but the Navigation Toolbar is
>>> hideous. I want the Home, Stop, Refresh, Print buttons back over to
>>> the left of the address bar.
>>>
>>> Is there a registry tweak or IE add-on that will allow this
>>> customization?
>
>> Nope. And if something as trivial as whether buttons are on the left
>> or right makes such a difference to you, so much so that it's
>> preventing you from upgrading to a more secure browser, then you need
>> a vacation. --- Leonard Grey Errare humanum est
>>
>
> You have a funny way of helping people.

I'm constantly amazed that people will look right past the substance of
an application and go into a lather over something as superficial as
whether they get to move toolbars or buttons.

I've yet to read a thread that argues, for example, the relative merits
of phishing protection as implemented by Microsoft and Mozilla. That
would be fascinating.

Leonard Grey

Leonard Grey, 12/25/2008,9:57:00 PM, wrote:

> <below, to respect your preference>
> ---
> Leonard Grey
> Errare humanum est
>
> badgolferman wrote:
> > Leonard Grey, 12/25/2008,4:03:27 PM, wrote:
> >
> > > badgolferman wrote:
> > > > I'm sure I'm not the only person asking this question but no
> > > > answers have come up in any searches I've performed.
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to upgrade from IE6 to IE7 but the Navigation Toolbar
> > > > is hideous. I want the Home, Stop, Refresh, Print buttons back
> > > > over to the left of the address bar.
> > > >
> > > > Is there a registry tweak or IE add-on that will allow this
> > > > customization?
> >
> > > Nope. And if something as trivial as whether buttons are on the
> > > left or right makes such a difference to you, so much so that it's
> > > preventing you from upgrading to a more secure browser, then you
> > > need a vacation. --- Leonard Grey Errare humanum est
> > >
> >
> > You have a funny way of helping people.
>
> I'm constantly amazed that people will look right past the substance
> of an application and go into a lather over something as superficial
> as whether they get to move toolbars or buttons.
>
> I've yet to read a thread that argues, for example, the relative
> merits of phishing protection as implemented by Microsoft and
> Mozilla. That would be fascinating.
>
> Leonard Grey

I have been a long-time IE user, before that it was Netscape. I
currently have IE6, Firefox, Opera, Chrome, and k-meleon on my system.
I use them all interchangeably but prefer IE for various reasons. The
real issue is getting my wife comfortable with using an updated
browser. I moved everything over to Firefox for her but she hates it
and frankly I don't like it either. IE7 would probably be okay for her
but those two toolbar buttons are in the most unintuitive position and
completely different from all other browsers. Why MS chose to put them
there is beyond me. Not being able to change location, size, look of
the toolbars is stupid. I want to stay with IE but if it will not
allow customization why should I when other browsers just as good or
better do allow it? MS used to be quite generous with allowing users
to customize GUIs, what happened?

--
"Progress might have been all right once, but it has gone on too long."
~ Ogden Nash

<again, below>
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

badgolferman wrote:
> Leonard Grey, 12/25/2008,9:57:00 PM, wrote:
>
>> <below, to respect your preference>
>> ---
>> Leonard Grey
>> Errare humanum est
>>
>> badgolferman wrote:
>>> Leonard Grey, 12/25/2008,4:03:27 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> badgolferman wrote:
>>>>> I'm sure I'm not the only person asking this question but no
>>>>> answers have come up in any searches I've performed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to upgrade from IE6 to IE7 but the Navigation Toolbar
>>>>> is hideous. I want the Home, Stop, Refresh, Print buttons back
>>>>> over to the left of the address bar.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a registry tweak or IE add-on that will allow this
>>>>> customization?
>>>> Nope. And if something as trivial as whether buttons are on the
>>>> left or right makes such a difference to you, so much so that it's
>>>> preventing you from upgrading to a more secure browser, then you
>>>> need a vacation. --- Leonard Grey Errare humanum est
>>>>
>>> You have a funny way of helping people.
>> I'm constantly amazed that people will look right past the substance
>> of an application and go into a lather over something as superficial
>> as whether they get to move toolbars or buttons.
>>
>> I've yet to read a thread that argues, for example, the relative
>> merits of phishing protection as implemented by Microsoft and
>> Mozilla. That would be fascinating.
>>
>> Leonard Grey
>
> I have been a long-time IE user, before that it was Netscape. I
> currently have IE6, Firefox, Opera, Chrome, and k-meleon on my system.
> I use them all interchangeably but prefer IE for various reasons. The
> real issue is getting my wife comfortable with using an updated
> browser. I moved everything over to Firefox for her but she hates it
> and frankly I don't like it either. IE7 would probably be okay for her
> but those two toolbar buttons are in the most unintuitive position and
> completely different from all other browsers. Why MS chose to put them
> there is beyond me. Not being able to change location, size, look of
> the toolbars is stupid. I want to stay with IE but if it will not
> allow customization why should I when other browsers just as good or
> better do allow it? MS used to be quite generous with allowing users
> to customize GUIs, what happened?
>
Took me a couple of minutes to adjust to the new interface in IE 7 and I
haven't thought about it since. I use both IE 7 and Firefox and have no
trouble reorienting myself from one to the other.

Life is full of changes.

Leonard Grey

Leonard Grey, 12/25/2008,10:52:42 PM, wrote:

> <again, below>
> ---
> Leonard Grey
> Errare humanum est
>
> badgolferman wrote:
> > Leonard Grey, 12/25/2008,9:57:00 PM, wrote:
> >
> > > <below, to respect your preference>
> > > ---
> > > Leonard Grey
> > > Errare humanum est
> > >
> > > badgolferman wrote:
> > > > Leonard Grey, 12/25/2008,4:03:27 PM, wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > badgolferman wrote:
> > > > > > I'm sure I'm not the only person asking this question but no
> > > > > > answers have come up in any searches I've performed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd like to upgrade from IE6 to IE7 but the Navigation
> > > > > > Toolbar is hideous. I want the Home, Stop, Refresh, Print
> > > > > > buttons back over to the left of the address bar.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is there a registry tweak or IE add-on that will allow this
> > > > > > customization?
> > > > > Nope. And if something as trivial as whether buttons are on
> > > > > the left or right makes such a difference to you, so much so
> > > > > that it's preventing you from upgrading to a more secure
> > > > > browser, then you need a vacation. --- Leonard Grey Errare
> > > > > humanum est
> > > > >
> > > > You have a funny way of helping people.
> > > I'm constantly amazed that people will look right past the
> > > substance of an application and go into a lather over something
> > > as superficial as whether they get to move toolbars or buttons.
> > >
> > > I've yet to read a thread that argues, for example, the relative
> > > merits of phishing protection as implemented by Microsoft and
> > > Mozilla. That would be fascinating.
> > >
> > > Leonard Grey
> >
> > I have been a long-time IE user, before that it was Netscape. I
> > currently have IE6, Firefox, Opera, Chrome, and k-meleon on my
> > system. I use them all interchangeably but prefer IE for various
> > reasons. The real issue is getting my wife comfortable with using
> > an updated browser. I moved everything over to Firefox for her but
> > she hates it and frankly I don't like it either. IE7 would
> > probably be okay for her but those two toolbar buttons are in the
> > most unintuitive position and completely different from all other
> > browsers. Why MS chose to put them there is beyond me. Not being
> > able to change location, size, look of the toolbars is stupid. I
> > want to stay with IE but if it will not allow customization why
> > should I when other browsers just as good or better do allow it?
> > MS used to be quite generous with allowing users to customize GUIs,
> > what happened?
> >
> Took me a couple of minutes to adjust to the new interface in IE 7
> and I haven't thought about it since. I use both IE 7 and Firefox and
> have no trouble reorienting myself from one to the other.
>
> Life is full of changes.
>
> Leonard Grey

You seem to be missing my point. Software products should be adaptable
to the user's needs, not the other way around. When all the
competitors offer the same product or better and allow customization
it's stupid to set your product apart with its inflexibility. MS
already has a tarnished reputation with security flaws, why add fuel to
the fire by aggravating users with an inferior browsing experience?
It's no wonder IE is losing market share.

--
"How can I lose to such an idiot?" ~ A shout from chess grandmaster
Aaron Nimzovich

FYI, in IE8 (currently in BETA) the Stop and Refresh buttons can be moved
before the Address Bar.
http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/sh...dress-bar-ie8/

--
Regards,

Ramesh Srinivasan, Microsoft MVP [Windows Shell/User]
The Winhelponline Blog http://www.winhelponline.com/blog


"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0fzcr0sldqjja003@news.albasani.net...
> Leonard Grey, 12/25/2008,9:57:00 PM, wrote:
>
>> <below, to respect your preference>
>> ---
>> Leonard Grey
>> Errare humanum est
>>
>> badgolferman wrote:
>> > Leonard Grey, 12/25/2008,4:03:27 PM, wrote:
>> >
>> > > badgolferman wrote:
>> > > > I'm sure I'm not the only person asking this question but no
>> > > > answers have come up in any searches I've performed.
>> > > >
>> > > > I'd like to upgrade from IE6 to IE7 but the Navigation Toolbar
>> > > > is hideous. I want the Home, Stop, Refresh, Print buttons back
>> > > > over to the left of the address bar.
>> > > >
>> > > > Is there a registry tweak or IE add-on that will allow this
>> > > > customization?
>> >
>> > > Nope. And if something as trivial as whether buttons are on the
>> > > left or right makes such a difference to you, so much so that it's
>> > > preventing you from upgrading to a more secure browser, then you
>> > > need a vacation. --- Leonard Grey Errare humanum est
>> > >
>> >
>> > You have a funny way of helping people.
>>
>> I'm constantly amazed that people will look right past the substance
>> of an application and go into a lather over something as superficial
>> as whether they get to move toolbars or buttons.
>>
>> I've yet to read a thread that argues, for example, the relative
>> merits of phishing protection as implemented by Microsoft and
>> Mozilla. That would be fascinating.
>>
>> Leonard Grey
>
> I have been a long-time IE user, before that it was Netscape. I
> currently have IE6, Firefox, Opera, Chrome, and k-meleon on my system.
> I use them all interchangeably but prefer IE for various reasons. The
> real issue is getting my wife comfortable with using an updated
> browser. I moved everything over to Firefox for her but she hates it
> and frankly I don't like it either. IE7 would probably be okay for her
> but those two toolbar buttons are in the most unintuitive position and
> completely different from all other browsers. Why MS chose to put them
> there is beyond me. Not being able to change location, size, look of
> the toolbars is stupid. I want to stay with IE but if it will not
> allow customization why should I when other browsers just as good or
> better do allow it? MS used to be quite generous with allowing users
> to customize GUIs, what happened?
>
> --
> "Progress might have been all right once, but it has gone on too long."
> ~ Ogden Nash

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message news:xn0fzcr0sldqjja003@news.albasani.net...

> but those two toolbar buttons are in the most unintuitive position and
> completely different from all other browsers.

> Why MS chose to put them there is beyond me.


In IE7b1 the Stop button was tri-purpose: Go, Stop, and Refresh
and it was put where the the Go button has been forever--at the end
of the Address bar.

Unfortunately, too many people who are prone to howling failed to see
the elegance of this design so the tri-purpose button was broken into
two buttons to deal with those complaints.

In fact, though, its real purpose might be seen as a state indicator
as much as a button. After all, one can always use the equivalent
keys needed to perform each function to transition between states.
For example, typing stuff in the Address bar puts the indicator into
the Go state, so that's when you can use the Go button or press Enter
to submit its contents for processing. Then, for the short while that
rendering takes place you could see the button turn into a Stop icon;
so then you could either use it or the Esc key to signal that you wanted
rendering to finish as soon as possible. Another indicator that processing
was in this state IIRC was the busy-ring icon (aka throbber) which
appeared both in the Address bar and on the tab label but now appears
only (much less conspicuously IMO) on the tab label. Finally, once the
connection is quiesced and the rendering finished, the state changes
into the one that the browser is in most often, the refreshable state,
so then you can either click the Refresh button or press F5 (or press
Ctrl-F5). Breaking the button in two has unfortunately undermined
much of the original indicator value that it had been designed to have.


> Not being able to change location, size, look of
> the toolbars is stupid. I want to stay with IE but if it will not
> allow customization why should I when other browsers just as good or
> better do allow it? MS used to be quite generous with allowing users
> to customize GUIs, what happened?


Supposedly, the more customization options that are offered the greater
the "attack surface" that is provided for malware creators. To be safe,
and so as not to waste time trying to imagine all the nefarious purposes
extra options might be used for, simplicity wins.


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
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