sasha gottfried wrote:
> Yo'
>
> I can count...... Frankly, from a customer's standpoint, it doesn't matter
> who screwed up here. HP uses Microsoft and Microsoft uses HP. Meanwhile, in
> situations like this, they both USE the USER. Who are these prgrammers
> anyway? 25 year old hyped up ego-maniacal geeks playing inter-corporate
> competetive games with themselves?
>
> Like I say: OUR time...THEIR money.

You'll never convince the MS fanboys that MS *ever* makes a mistake.
They're acting like HP is some small mom and pop outfit that MS has
never heard of. The TRUTH is that MS throws out software for the paying
customer to test and then, and only then, they will put out a fix. For
instance, Vista was NOT ready for the public and won't be until there's
an SP2. Meanwhile, MS gets millions to test it for free and to top it
off, they PAY MS to test it.

You're right; it's criminal.

Fed up? Check out Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com/. It's free and comes with
access to over 23,000 free programs.

What can be done with Ubuntu?

This:

Email
Surf the web
Burn CDs.
Rip CDs.
Listen to music.
Watch vidoes/DVDs.
Scan and print.
Spreadsheets.
Presentations
Newsgroups.
HTML editing.
Games like Chess, Tetris, all kinds of solitaire, etc.
Make videos.
Download photos from a camera and organize them.
Translations.
Use a dictionary
Learn how to touch type.
Edit images.
Send and receive a fax.
Take screenshots.
Create .PDF files.
Create and use a data base.
Instant messaging with over 10 different programs in one including
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IRC.
Bluetooth.

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What you can't do with Ubuntu:

Worry about:
The next update hosing your system,
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and
Malware.

Alias
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> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uaoIyWVwIHA.5892@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Get yourself an abacus, Sasha.
>>
>> sasha gottfried wrote:
>>> The blame game can go on and on. The arrogance, and lack of communication
>>> between these mega-bux, computer comrades is criminal. Who expects John Q
>>> Customer to know what the hell "Sysrep Scenarios" are anyway!
>>>
>>> Pathetic!
>>>
>>> But thanks to this newsgroup for the heads up on these corporate clowns.
>>>
>>> MT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgreen@nowandzen.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OFCUI$PwIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> I agree that the customer loses, sasha. BUT, HP has been well aware of
>>>> Unsupported Sysprep Scenarios for quite some time now:
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/828287
>>>>
>>>> Read the ' Different processor vendors ' section.
>>>> There is definitely something amiss with how MS tests updates|SPs and
>>>> with
>>>> their lack of communication skills.
>>>>
>>>> However, this issue is directly attributable to HP, plain and simple.
>>>>
>>>> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]
>>>> ===============
>>>> *-343-* FDNY
>>>> Never Forgotten
>>>> ===============
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sasha gottfried wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Don't tell me Microsoft wasn't aware of this! Or was it just a set-up
>>>>> to
>>>>> blame the OEM's? Either way.......the customer loses!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23tNEvWPwIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>> sasha gottfried wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doesn't Microsoft confer with major computer manufacturers before
>>>>>>> putting out a major OS upgrade? As you say, HP manufactures many
>>>>>>> AMD based computers. Are you telling me Microsoft isn't aware of
>>>>>>> this, or doesn't bother testing their SP3 on such systems using
>>>>>>> this 'image' applied? You'd think that between HP and Microsoft
>>>>>>> they would 'expose' the mistake before allowing it to be foisted on
>>>>>>> customers. But hell, our time is not THEIR money, is it?
>>>>>> The OEMs pay less to Microsoft for the licenses of Windows XP (OEM
>>>>>> License agreements) so they can make more profit selling to the
>>>>>> end-consumer and for that they provide the end-consumer support for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> machine - including the installed OS. That is a choice they made.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given that choice and the fact that SP3 has been available in some
>>>>>> form
>>>>>> (beta and otherwise) to the OEMs for over a year - they should have
>>>>>> taken
>>>>>> the responsibility and tested it. Not to mention - any OEM that
>>>>>> decided
>>>>>> an AMD processor was the same as an Intel processor (thus making one
>>>>>> image) likely should have thought that out better. I am having
>>>>>> trouble
>>>>>> seeing it from your point of view that Microsoft (SP3) is to blame
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> it was not Microsoft that made the image being used by said OEMs nor
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> they the ones responsible for testing things on the OEMs own
>>>>>> equipment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Shenan Stanley
>>>>>> MS-MVP
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
>>>>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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