"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
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> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long
>>>> before it was released.
>>>>
>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good
>>>> job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista
>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call high
>>> end.
>>>
>>
>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to
>> build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of
>> buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>
>
>
> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living in
> the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is high end.
> I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand DDR2 RAM is
> $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista very well and
> is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I consider to be
> decent quality.
>
> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>
> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised
> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could
> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any
> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be stable,
> all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is $125.00,
> Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another $200.00.
> The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you should move
> to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain has impacted your
> computing experience. In any case cost is relative to where you live. The
> system specs would not be considered high end anywhere yet Vista runs with
> no problems on it.

You are quoting OEM versions. He is talking the full retail. You know, the
better ones that are complete and recoverable. You also are without office
tools. Add in business or ultimate office tools you are well over the
$1000, more than twice the price of the total hardware package.

Me, got a Q6600, 4GB RAM, 22" wide LCD, 500GB drive, Vista (not so) Premium
x64 OEM, keyboard, mouse, cables, $749 at Best Buy. No assembly required
and a warranty. But I did a refit, to 8GB RAM, 2nd hard drive and a
dedicated 8500GT 256M fanless video.

Runs Vista like a pig (file/network copy specifically), but Ubuntu with
Compiz, smoking hot and fast.

Back to software, sounds like Microsoft is shafting Euros, probably because
of the court decisions for Microsoft anti-competitive business practices.
But at $2000 for a OS and Office full versions, I imagine Macs and Linux are
making serious headway.

And think, Canada have NAFTA free trade with the US and a par dollar. That
Vista OEM is cheaper in the US, 97.87 at MWave. How does it feel to pay 25%
more for being Canadian?

Mind you, that is better than what Alias has to deal with in Spain...ouch...