David--

I see your point on the defrag in that defrag while not a very sexy concept
sure is vitally important and is underused by the general population. It's
not hard for any of us to run into people who never heard of it, and I
understand it's probably not the major topic of conversation at most
cocktail parties or clubs.

There are two schools of thought on reg cleaners and I subscribe to Ed
Bott's (Author of soon to be on sale Windows Vista Inside Out MSFT Press) in
that you really don't know what they are doing under the hood. Sure they
purport that you have x number of errors, (I've seen them say you have
hundreds), but I believe you can spell their functionality easily with
normal maintainance.

Why I Don't Use Registry Cleaners Ed Bott
www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html

Privacy Software and Windows Onecare I agree and MSFT obviously sees WOC as
a separate revenue stream. Defender comes in Vista, and is free for download
to users of other Windows.

CH



"David Fumento" <dfumento@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for pointing out PD8 which will also work with Vista.
>
> But I disagree with others in that I think that the Windows OS should
> include all of these "utilities" that you buy from third parties.
>
> 1. The best defrag including registry defrag.
> 2. Registry cleaner.
> 3. Privacy software (e.g. hide IP address if desired)
> 4. Windows Live (e.g. firewall, anti-spyware, anti-virus).
>
> Especially in laptops with their slower and smaller HDs, you need the
> better defrag built into Windows OS. More and more people are buying
> these laptops....
>
> If you buy all of these items separately and given that Windows Live is
> subscription, you can pay much more for the additional software than for
> the Windows OS itself.
>
>
> "Chad Harris" <FixVista'nRedmondToo@kickit.net> wrote in message
> news:Ol731$IFHHA.4432@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Jeff--
>>
>> I really like Raxco but I have also used Diskeeper but they don't have as
>> generous an offer. Raxco taking into account that for many people, RTM
>> may not be available worldwide until later in January although I have
>> already seen it sold in Comp USA this morning along with Office 2007, is
>> offerring the Vista version for several months as a full functionality
>> trial. I like the interface for defragging at Boot Time (the MFT /Master
>> File Table or paging file--or running a boot time chkdsk a little better
>> with Diskeeper but Raxco has been my main squeeze.
>>
>> If you're interested in defrag, Jill Zoeller's article has some good info
>> and Jill has been very concientious about posting a lot of the beta chats
>> on her blog, and a lot of other very good info, as has Josh at Windows
>> Connected who helps out frequently on these groups--including one with
>> the Vista defrag team/and some members of her file core services team at
>> MSFT that drills into the details of defrag in Vista:
>>
>> From Jill Zoeller's helpful blog The Filing Cabinet:
>>
>> http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/default.aspx
>>
>>
>> Disk Defragmenter Beta Chat Transcript (July 26, 2006)
>> Chat Topic: Disk Defragmentation
>> Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2006
>> http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pages/447168.aspx
>>
>> A quick note about Defrag.exe parameters in Windows Vista
>> http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/arc...arameters.aspx
>>
>>
>> That MSFT is shipping utilities like this is to their credit. They try
>> to make them better every OS--and I wouldn't doubt that they are not
>> going to put out a competent utility that they've tested thoroughly if
>> they put it out at all. No one could possibly expect them to include for
>> the price of the OS many third party apps of course, and I'm sure they
>> try to walk a fine line legally as well and still take care of their
>> customers that way.
>>
>> They obviously deserve credit for improving defrag over the Win 9X Scan
>> Disk that took a long time, and was erratic, particularly in the dreaded
>> (I so hate to curse on the web "Win ME"--Win ME stood for 'Mental
>> Emergency' or ''Miserable Experience' or "Most Eggregious" in IT
>> vernacular), and they have included a Diskmgmt tool that now will re-size
>> partitions without losing material and a DVD-writer in Vista.
>>
>> As to the control panel icon for defrag in Vista, I don't see it on the
>> final relase. I've used every build they had since July, and I never
>> noticed one. I know you can hit defrag 3 ways:
>>
>> 1) you can as you can with many programs and locations simply type defrag
>> above the start button and it comes up immediately--Search in Vista and
>> that situation were quickly one of my favorite convenience type features
>> in Vista in contrast to Win XP's often erratic slow search
>> 2) As in Win XP you can right click Computer or if you have it set to
>> slide out the Vista drive>properties>tools>defrag button
>> 3) Defrag can be run at the command line.
>>
>> If you have a CP icon, I'm not sure it's default unless I miss it, but in
>> addition to Ramesh's tweak/fix from his excellent site, you might try
>> items 280 and 291 at Kelly'x XP and see if those regedits help you with
>> defrag in Vista. Many XP regedits there and VB scripts work in Vista,
>> but understandably not all.
>>
>> Kelly's [MSFT MVP] Tweaks from Kelly's Korner
>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
>>
>> CH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:xn0euc1oc47yb8003@msnews.microsoft.com...
>>> On 30/11/2006 in message <eqby03HFHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl> Chad
>>> Harris wrote:
>>>
>>>>You can't expect MSFT financially or legally to ship a defrag utility
>>>>that compares with companies who make them and they won't and don't.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the links. I didn't expect MS to distribute a full blown
>>> commercial de-fragger, it would be another opportunity for the
>>> competition authorities!
>>>
>>> I was surprised to be pointed to a non-existent icon in Control Panel
>>> though, nobody has commented on this.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeff Gaines
>>
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