Exactly DNK--you paraphrased me beautifully. Many IT managers have Achilles
heels and in some areas don't know what they are doing with their computers.
Welcome to planet earth.

CH

"Daze N. Knights" <Daze@Microdot.dot> wrote in message
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> Chad Harris wrote:
>> DK--
>>
>> Your triage approach may be correct, and I haven't run a large double
>> blind series, but I've found a lot of wasted space on the personal and
>> home pcs of people who are IT managers at work--and I don't mean just
>> their kids.
>
> Ah. I've encountered it mostly in folks with little comprehension of what
> they're doing with their computers.
>
>>
>> I saw Ramesh's (a truly excellent site and incredible help over the years
>> on groups from him) "show the recycle bin tip", but it was geared toward
>> XP(the one I saw) but a referral to Ramesh's site is one of the best
>> things you could do for some one at any time.
>>
>> The one you linked is a good one. Something is disjointed though when
>> his text lable but not the icon shows. I'm not sure that would imply
>> it's not working, and perhaps SFC might help. I think the zip would have
>> fixed him but we don't even know whether the OP is reading any of this.
>> A lot of people post and forget about checking out the answer or
>> go somewhere else to get it.
>
> Yeah. With a name like Disco Dillusion, the OP is probably back on the
> dance floor and oblivious to our taking an interest in his troubles . .
>
> Daze
> ---
>
>> "Daze N. Knights" <Daze@Microdot.dot> wrote in message
>> news:epVpzIerHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> My concern is that the people that allow GBs to pile up in their Recycle
>>> Bin are most likely to be the very people that cannot make a quick,
>>> intelligent decision on whether or not to bypass the Recycle Bin when
>>> they are deleting something.
>>>
>>> And to avoid accidentally deleting the Recycle Bin in Vista (which I
>>> used to do myself), the OP could also download
>>> vista_recyclebin_hidedelete.reg from Ramesh Srinivasan's blog at
>>>
>>> http://www.winhelponline.com/articles/142/1/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chad Harris wrote:
>>>> Hi DNK--
>>>>
>>>> I certainly would agree with you it is anyone's job as a helper to aid
>>>> the person in doing what they want, so I offered my opinion and
>>>> included in the zip file what should precisely enable the OP to use his
>>>> RB the way he chooses. Perhaps I was severe in contexting a safety
>>>> feature on its face as training wheels, and I did not mean to be
>>>> derogatory. For that I apologize if my tone was perceived as
>>>> deprecatory. What does work for me is shift delete, and there are some
>>>> more complicated CLSID tweaks that I've seen in Honeycutt's registry
>>>> book and others on the XP registry which shares the Vista CLSID keys
>>>> precisely that I did not post because I did not want to put up some
>>>> lengthy regedits that the OP would probably not want to use.
>>>>
>>>> Your point of emptying the thing now and then is indeed a good one. I
>>>> also love DX Hog Hunt as a way of seeing what space is occupied in each
>>>> and every file and folder, but since the website has been taken Danish
>>>> and I don't speak it, I can't put up a link for it anymore and I looked
>>>> a good while several times in the past few months.
>>>>
>>>> As to the keyboard trick, I believe people who use Windows Vista are
>>>> smart enough to make a decision as to when to use shift+delete and when
>>>> not to. It will require an extra few seconds of contemplation but I
>>>> don't believe it's a dangerous trick to teach anyone who is adult
>>>> enough to use this group. I don't believe small children are using it,
>>>> and children who are should be old I believe are exercise that
>>>> discretion.
>>>>
>>>> However, I am happy to put up some short easy regedits that will help
>>>> with the Recycle Bin and may help the OP and anyone else who needs
>>>> them:
>>>>
>>>> From Tom Temple
>>>> Submitted by Tom Temple
>>>> temple@earthlink.net
>>>>
>>>> http://www.onecomputerguy.com/registry_tips.htm#recycle
>>>>
>>>> Recycle Bin Edits
>>>> Submitted 5/2/96
>>>>
>>>> Fooling with the recycle bin. Why not make the icon context menu act
>>>> like other icon context menu's.
>>>>
>>>> Add rename to the menu:
>>>> [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E}\ShellFolder]
>>>> "Attributes"=hex:50,01,00,20
>>>>
>>>> Add delete to the menu:
>>>> [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E}\ShellFolder]
>>>> "Attributes"=hex:60,01,00,20
>>>>
>>>> Add rename and delete to the menu:
>>>> [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E}\ShellFolder]
>>>> "Attributes"=hex:70,01,00,20
>>>>
>>>> Restore the recycle bin to win 95 defaults including un-deleting the
>>>> icon after deletion:
>>>> ... Restore the icon.
>>>> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\explorer\Desktop\NameSpace\{645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E}]
>>>> @="Recycle Bin"
>>>> ... reset win 95 defaults
>>>> .
>>>> [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E}\ShellFolder]
>>>> "Attributes"=hex:40,01,00,20
>>>>
>>>> Other edits to the recycle bin icon:
>>>> [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E}\ShellFolder]
>>>> "Attributes"=hex:40,01,01,20 ... standard shortcut arrow
>>>> "Attributes"=hex:40,01,02,20 ... another shortcut arrow
>>>> "Attributes"=hex:40,01,04,20 ... and another shortcut arrow
>>>> "Attributes"=hex:40,01,08,20 ... make it look disabled (like it's been
>>>> cut)
>>>>
>>>> I added the above edits for fun. But it gets you thinking.
>>>> Note: Adding rename and delete to the context menu takes effect
>>>> instantly. To restore the icon after deletion requires screen refresh
>>>> (F5).
>>>> Have fun.... Tom
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> CH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Daze N. Knights" <Daze@Microdot.dot> wrote in message
>>>> news:uIj7CcdrHHA.1476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Hmm. I am glad to have the Recycle Bin, myself, as a temporary storage
>>>>> for recently deleted files from which I can easily restore them if
>>>>> necessary. I have needed to restore recently deleted files many, many
>>>>> times over my years of using computers and can hardly see the sense in
>>>>> dispensing with this convenient safety feature in order to avoid the
>>>>> chore of regularly emptying the Recycle Bin. Regarding these people
>>>>> with GBs of stuff in their bin, it makes more sense to me to teach
>>>>> them to empty the thing now and then, instead of trying to teach them
>>>>> keyboard tricks that will immediately send their deleted files beyond
>>>>> their easy recovery.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chad Harris wrote:
>>>>>> Hello DD--
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the first place it's a lot more sophistcated never to use the
>>>>>> recycle bin. I can't count the number of PCs I've worked on where
>>>>>> one of the complaints is my space vanished, only to find besides pics
>>>>>> and music and temp files that took GBs of real estate that the owners
>>>>>> had packed a GB or 2 in the recycle bin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SHIFT + DELETE= nothing piling up and gobbling your real estate in
>>>>>> the bin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Recycle bin is like the training wheels you used to learn to ride a
>>>>>> bike when you were 3 or 4 years old.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're grown up now. Why would you even need it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want the recycle bin on your desktop however, and want to pile
>>>>>> crap into it then it's a piece of cake to do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know why yours is behaving erratically with text and not the
>>>>>> icon on the desktop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rt. click desktop>personalize>change desktop icons (hyperlink on
>>>>>> left)>ck. mark in recycle bin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Considering your past history with an erratic recycle bin I offer
>>>>>> this to you--this does what you want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Enhanced Recycle Bin Menu"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ERBM+.reg replaces the Delete command from the Recycle Bin with a
>>>>>> Clear Temp command.
>>>>>> This prevents users from accidentally deleting the Recycle Bin Icon
>>>>>> from the Desktop.
>>>>>> It also adds a Disk Cleanup command which performs an Extended Disc
>>>>>> Cleanup on all disks.
>>>>>> The Clear Temp command clears both Temp dirs:
>>>>>> %UserProfile%\AppData\Local\Temp and %SystemRoot%\Temp.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Install: merge ERBM+.reg
>>>>>> Uninstall: merge ERBM-.reg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://herby.virtualplastic.net/files/ERBM.zip
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Enjoy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CH
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Believe me, Vista is not like Hitler. Vista has not taken your
>>>>>> children from you, put you on a train and beat you , stacked you up
>>>>>> literally with hundreds of other people and no food and no toilet, in
>>>>>> incredible heat and cold and then beat you into a gas chamber or an
>>>>>> incinerator. That my friend, is what Hitler did and let me make it
>>>>>> damn clear, President Roosevelt knew it was happening for years
>>>>>> before he lifted a finger to do anything about it and then only
>>>>>> because his literal ass was threatened and his country was bombed,
>>>>>> and it was long after members of his cabinet pleaded with him to stop
>>>>>> the extermination of people and after 6 million had been exterminated
>>>>>> after being tortured, having all their possessions and families
>>>>>> ripped from them. Many of the possessions haven't been restored by
>>>>>> different governments today and it has taken long, expensive
>>>>>> litigation to get some of it back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You probably live in an indifferent country called the US that is
>>>>>> getting just the democracy it deserves while thousands of your
>>>>>> country men have died for nothing, hundreds of thousands of Iraquis
>>>>>> have, 2 million Iraqui women have been forced into prostitution in
>>>>>> Syria, mere hundreds have been allowed into the US after their
>>>>>> country has been turned into an inferno, and one of the lying
>>>>>> architects of that will be denied an appeal bond in about 24 hours
>>>>>> and sent on the road to prison named Libby. 12 of the most
>>>>>> distinguished attorneys in the nation have made one of the most
>>>>>> stupid arguments imaginable in their motion for an appeal bond that
>>>>>> will be denied.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many of the supporters of the war who want to be President like
>>>>>> Guilliani got multiple deferments because they were afraid to go to
>>>>>> war. Cheney got 6 of them. Bush ran away and hid and his daddy got
>>>>>> him into a national guard training for a plane that would never go to
>>>>>> Nam. When he was asked to report for a physical for a plane that was
>>>>>> going, he hid for months and did not report to said physical exam.
>>>>>> Ashcroft got multiple deferments and the architect for ignoring all
>>>>>> laws, Gonzales did as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fitzgerald's brief writer demolished all 12 of them in her reply
>>>>>> brief filed yesterday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://justoneminute.typepad.com/mai..._Resp_Bail.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're Libby right now, the angst of sure prison has overtaken all
>>>>>> your thoughts, and that's a very good thing. He could have revealed
>>>>>> that Bush and Cheney were behind his lying and he has chosen to say
>>>>>> nothing. He'll have a couple years of actual time to think about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Disco Dillusion" <DiscoDillusion@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>>>> message news:2C39F462-E3EE-42F4-8279-78F6B7DEF4C9@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> ok, first off...Vista....AAAAAHH!!!!! second off, ive read alot of
>>>>>>> the posts
>>>>>>> already on this subject...and! i dont think most people are
>>>>>>> "accidently"
>>>>>>> deleting there recycle bin....i know how to get it back, so thats
>>>>>>> not the
>>>>>>> question. Ive used every version of Windows since 95, and i have
>>>>>>> NEVER
>>>>>>> deleted it by accident, so i know im not doing it now. Further
>>>>>>> more! im
>>>>>>> having two issues with Recycle Bin, first one is it auto deleting
>>>>>>> itself from
>>>>>>> my desktop leaving an empty spot in my icons. Second one is the
>>>>>>> icon itself
>>>>>>> is gone, but not the text "Recycle Bin" below it....thats two
>>>>>>> separate issues
>>>>>>> with one program, and just one of the many many MANY problems ive
>>>>>>> had with
>>>>>>> Vista.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> ....Vista, like Hitler, except more evil....
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>