"The Vista print team lied..."
You have said that before.
BUT when asked for a reference, you ignore the request.
Can you backup that statement?
If not, the statement is inappropriate and may even be illegal.

"I predict about March..."
You have stated this hogwash before except now you have conveniently moved
from January to March.
You seem to ignore the reality that with the final public release of Vista
more will be using Vista.
With larger numbers come more issues, both perceived and real.
This would happen with ant software from any manufacturer and yet you seem
to focus only on the gloom.
Those that have success dilute this myth of yours so you often find a weak
excuse to dismiss the successes.

"for 15 months that number was low..."
Pretty meaningless since Microsoft avoids articles about Beta products.

I did not read further as it was obviously simply a rant.

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"Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message
news:e3Pw9crJHHA.4068@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> The situation with many printer drivers is that XP drivers work if you
> use Virtual Ports. The Vista print team lied to a group of us who went to
> them and asked them to change the default to help facilitate printers
> working.
>
> It's always great to hear when one peson says "all my drivers work all my
> peripherals work well; my hardware works great in Vista." We all want
> that. But stay tuned, because I predict about March that MSFT is going to
> be overwhelmed with problems with Vista way beyond the number that there
> have been in XP at the same time period in its circulation/adoption to the
> general public.
>
> If you go to http://support.microsoft.com and do a search on Windows Vista
> there are over 200 MSKBs. It's positive that they are finally getting
> around to doing some more--for 15 months that number was low--but if you
> read ***many of them they are just plain bugs they shipped with, they
> refused to fix when reported to them, and they could have their own subset
> called "tin ear." They say "we know the bug is there and we don't have a
> fix." I haven't counted how many there are like this, but I will soon.
> I can add at least 100 bugs to that list. What they don't say is that "we
> knew it was there in the fall of 2005 and we elected not to try to fix it
> or we couldn't fix it."
>
> The fact that MSFT who is supporting Vista by phone now (they can't tell
> if you were part of the so called CPP which was really an ad campaign or
> not anyway):
>
> Phone Number: 866-425-0593 "English only" support The version of
> English that their India Convergys PSS speaks is unintelligible. They
> aren't going to understand you either, if you speak English.
>
> I think it's fascinating that they say it's "English only" because what is
> spoken (not by Indians at large) but by the Indians who man the PSS phone
> lines as Convergys of Ohio the company who contracts to do MSFT Support
> for the public (MSFT doesn't do support for the public via phone--don't be
> fooled) can't speak intelligible English nor do they know anything that
> has clinical efficacy on the ground towards fixing Windows or Office nor
> have they for over ten years.
>
> I could find tons of things we fix routinely hear that those bozos can't
> fix. MSFT should have kicked Convergys of Ohio to the curb long ago, but
> they're dirt cheap and it's outta sight outta mind for MSFT with public
> support. It's interesting that Dell alleges they paid $100 million to
> improve support, because Dell uses the same crappy Indian support that is
> just as bad most of the time with hardware support as MSFT is with their
> oursourced contract for public support. MSFT outsources it to Convergys
> and conergys outsources it to India for the highest percentage of their
> call volume.
>
> One of several subjects you'll never see a MSFTie come in this group or
> anywhere else and discuss is the eggrigious quality of their support.
> They don't want to know about it.
>
> If anyone has a printer not working, you might try right clicking the
> printer in the printers folder (get to it by going though the Control
> Panel or Device Manager)>Ports tab>and selecting USB Virtual port.
>
> Brother is telling people that they have given drivers to MSFT and they
> have given some drivers--My Printer worked in every build of Vista until
> RTM, but that the drivers may be less functionality than their finally
> released Vista driver which doesn't make a lot of sense, although they
> might mean they'll update it for Vista.
>
> David Pogue is a very good author--he probably leans towards Apple
> products, but he writes O'Reilly missing manuals for XP and soon for Vista
> and you should catch his columns at www.nytimes.com/circuits or in the
> print edition of the NYT.
>
> I should have included an aritcle on Vista from Wall Street Journal's
> Walter Mossberg. It can be read here under the Nove 2 category:
>
> http://ptech.wsj.com/archive.html
>
> CH
>
> "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote in message
> news:20CA80BA-20AC-4199-811B-FC8160A8EA1C@microsoft.com...
>> BChad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message
>> news:uWNw1HmJHHA.2232@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> That's not to say, however, that Vista is worth standing in line for on
>>> Jan. 30. Moving to Vista means hunting for updated drivers for your
>>> printer, audio card and so on, not to mention troubleshooting
>>> incompatible programs.
>>
>> No, it *might* mean hunting for updated drivers, and *perhaps*
>> troubleshooting *some* incompatible programs. Both of my HP printers
>> work fine - a LaserJet 4+ and a DeskJet 970 inkjet. All of my other
>> hardware works also - ATI X800 XT video, both network cards, etc.
>>
>> Otherwise a good review, but the above gives the impression that nothing
>> works.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
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