Where on earth did you get the notion that "MSFT is paid somewhere between
one and two hundred dollars for every preinstalled Vista sold."?

Even a one-mam shop could get a better break. You're an order of magnitude
out.

"Chad Harris" <vistaneedsmuchowork.net> wrote in message
news:u%23OK6KHdHHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Bonnie--
>
> Dell is one example among 300 huge multibillion dollar and multimillion
> dollar companies who have had the courage to defy their platinum partner
> MSFT. Dell has acutioned space for advertising on their preinstall
> desktops and setups to Google to MSFT's shagrin, but of course all of
> those icons can be eliminated by a mouse click.
>
> What's important though, is that Dell has said no to MSFT's extreme greed.
> MSFT wants end users to not only buy their pre-installed Vista for which
> MSFT is paid somewhere between one and two hundred dollars for every
> preinstalled Vista sold. However, when the OEM computer seller and MSFT
> sell a PC with pre-installed Vista, they rip the customer off because they
> deny the customer the recovery tools to repair a Vista that is broken and
> won't boot--the panoply of tools MSFT Calls Win RE.
>
> The Win RE team blog is here:
>
> Win RE Notes
> http://blogs.msdn.com/winre/default.aspx
>
> The PC you have and your parents have don't have these tools available.
>
> Let me make an analogy here:
>
> Would you want to check a family member into a hospital who was critically
> ill when you were told that life support services are limited, and if your
> family member had a cardiac or respiratory arrest that no CPR efforts or
> meds would be availalbe to that patient?
>
> Do you think the Gates family or Ballmer family or Allchin family will be
> checking their relative into a hospital under such circumstances? The
> Darrell Gorter family or Jill Zoeller family? You can bet your start
> button they will not.
>
> You need a Vista DVD to be able to have the full panoply of tools to
> repair Vista. You can use Win RE's tools that I've outlined in detail for
> months on this group and Vista general to fix Vista. You may be able to
> fix a No Boot Vista with F8 Windows Advanced Options, including 4 shots at
> system restore, and Last Known Good as your fifth option, but you may
> not.
>
> It is totally irresponsible of MSFT to leave their millions of end user
> customers who buy Vista via pre-installed PCs (to date with better sales
> than XP for the time period). They are completely aware they do this.
> They never offer any defense. The shills for MSFT on this group are quick
> to tout recovery discs and recovery partitons but in hundreds of trials
> with their customers, I have proved the recovery discs and partitions
> almost never work, and the genuine OS CDs (XP) and DVDs (Vista) do and the
> MSFT shills know this or else are too inexperienced with actual repairs of
> no boots to understand it.
>
> Here is Dell's response to MSFT's contractural arm twisting to prevent a
> new PC customer to prevent that customer (far and away the most common way
> Vista gets into a home or small business) from receiving the Vista DVD or
> XP CD during the era of XP:
>
> Operating System Disks and Customer Support
> http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archi...0/17/3132.aspx
>
> "Update: Thanks to Direct2Dell reader Steven and a couple of Dell
> employees
> for pointing out a mistake I made in my original post. When I wrote this,
> the OS media was listed as an option in the configurator for $0. I
> mis-read
> the number, and for that mistake, I apologize. Also, though this been in
> the works for some time before now, it's now official. For U.S. consumer
> and small business customers, all systems will now ship with an operating
> system disc. This change will take effect in Europe by later next month.
> In
> Asia, things are unchanged—we've always shipped OS discs with systems
> there."
>
> Dell is promising their customers that despite MSFT's deliberate
> indifference toward their biggest slice of subenterprise customers
> receiving the means to recover or CPR
> Vista (Win RE on a Vista DVD) that they will ship an OS DVD with every new
> Dell PC. I applaud them for it. I condemn MSFT's deliberate and cynical
> denial of a Vista DVD to new PC purchasers of PCs that aren't Dell, and I
> challenge anyone from MSFT to come on here and explain this nasty policy.
>
> What's up Darell Gorter [MSFT]? Why didn't you and your team members
> try to stop this slight to your customers when this is the very area you
> work on? Weren't Eduardo Lareano (System Restore etc. at MSFT) or Dan
> Stevenson (lead Program Manager for Storage Management Solutions at MSFT)
> or Jill Zoeller (Community Program Manager for the Windows File and
> Storage Services Team) concerned about the loss of these valuable tools
> for their customers--that could cause their non-backed up customers to
> have to format and loose all their documents and settings?
>
> This dirty little secret of MSFT marketing was simply irresponsible and
> displays low regard for MSFT's millions of end users who depend on PC
> purchaces to receive Vista for their families and small businesses.
>
> CH
> __________
> "Bonnie." <Bonnie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:FE8D7744-11D6-4E8E-A2FB-804BA4DF2F40@microsoft.com...
>>I purchased a HP computer in January therefore came with XP. I sent in
>>the
>> information for the Vista upgrade, but I have been advised the wait time
>> may
>> still be 4 - 6 weeks.
>>
>> In the mean time, my parents needed a new computer. The were purchasing
>> after Feb 1, so their computer came preinstalled with Vista. Our two
>> computer are identical with the exception of the factory installed
>> operating
>> system. The hardware & software specs of both systems are identical -
>> the
>> motherboard, processor, chipset, drives, cards, are all identical.
>>
>> I was really hoping I would have my Vista upgrade by now, but I don't so
>> I'm
>> trying to be a bit creative in options to upgrade. So, my question is
>> does
>> my computer really know it is a 7680, not a 7780? Is it possible for me
>> to
>> reformat my hard drive, then use the recovery CDs supplied with my
>> parents
>> computer to 'rebuild mine' which would intern install Vista & the
>> required
>> drivers software on to my system? If this is possible, this route may be
>> a
>> better option anyways because Vista & drivers would be clean install vs.
>> upgrading XP.
>>
>> Thanks.
>